[filmscanners] Re: SS 120 questions for current users

["Simon Lamb" <simon@sclamb.com>]

Interesting.  I will try again tomorrow and use their copy of Insight.  I
also found that when I scanned a Delta 100 6X6 neg. the histogram showed
everything moved towards the black end.  There was a loss of detail and the
histogram ended sharply at the black end as it everything had been pushed
against a wall.

I think I need more practice with the SS120 but it is difficult at the
dealer.  I think I will ask if I can rent it out for a weekend.

Thanks for your reply.

Simon

On 11/4/02 8:03 pm, "Dave King" <kingphoto@mindspring.com> wrote:

> My guess is Insight 5.5 would be better based on the result of your current
> test, but my experience with Silverfast is limited to a few quick tests.  My
> impression is Silverfast can be quite accurate if you go to the trouble of
> making a custom profile for it with an IT-8 target.  But I do find Insight
> 5.5 gets the colors of the chrome right on the nose with both the SS4000 and
> SS120.  The end points come in on the conservative side, which I prefer, and
> a simple tone curve to set end points and lift gamma a bit gets the scan
> dialed in from there.  I do the tone correction first, then convert the file
> to 8 bit RGB.  I set Insight up so that "monitor space" and "output profile"
> (or whatever they call it) are Adobe RGB 98 (my working space), and then the
> scan preview matches the Photoshop view very accurately, so basic prescan
> color and tone correction in Insight is possible.  For some reason however,
> when a working space is used with Insight the curves feature is turned off,
> so the prescan corrections have to be kept pretty basic, but they would
> still be useful for production work.
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@sclamb.com>
> To: <kingphoto@mindspring.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:24 PM
> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS 120 questions for current users
>
>
> I was using the Photoshop plug of Silverfast Ai 5.  Would Insight be better?
> I could not of course test out Vuescan which I use with my LS30.
>
> Simon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave King" <kingphoto@mindspring.com>
> To: <simon@sclamb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 6:05 PM
> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS 120 questions for current users
>
>
>> The short answer is you will have to some basic tweaking in Photoshop if
> you
>> use Insight 5.5 with the most recent transparency profile.  It comes in
> with
>> accurate color, but a little flat.  Many chromes you don't want an exact
>> color reproduction anyway, considering film's color distortions of lens
>> output.  Hey it's film you're looking at, not lens output:)  But in my
>> experience the colors are true to the chrome at Insight's no adjustment
>> settings, and I would think you could save a standard tone curve for
>> production work.
>>
>> Color negs are an entirely different story.  Insight hypes colors, and
>> crossovers abound.  Vuescan is considerably better, but I find I often
> still
>> have to work with relatively minor crossovers quite a bit in Photoshop to
>> get a great final.  But since it doesn't start out hyped it's at least
>> possible to get there.  The little bit I've worked with Insight for negs
> my
>> impression was "impossible".  For production work with color negs you'd be
>> better off with Nikonscan or the Imacon software.  (Haven't used the
> Imacon
>> software, going by what I've heard.)
>>
>> My .02
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@sclamb.com>
>> To: <kingphoto@mindspring.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 12:11 PM
>> Subject: [filmscanners] SS 120 questions for current users
>>
>>
>> I just spent three hours with an SS 120 and the Imacon Photo.  The only
>> major difference that I found was in the colour fidelity when scanning
>> slides, in this case Kodak E100VS 6X6 slides.  Whereas the Imacon
>> representation of the slide was spot on in colour reproduction, the SS 120
>> was more washed out and the saturation had been lost.
>>
>> Other than that it seemed to be an excellent unit, not as good as the
> Imacon
>> in the final scans (the Imacon seemed to show more detail and smoother
>> transitions even though it was working at 3200dpi and not 4000dpi.
>>
>> Have any of you current SS 120 users notices colours not being reproduced
>> correctly and have you managed to fix this easily using the scanner
>> software?  Or am I going to need to do a lot of colour manipulation in
>> Photoshop?
>>
>> Sorry to keep asking questions but I want to make sure I spend my money on
>> the right scanner as it is a lot of money.

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