[filmscanners] Re: B & W - Tips required...

["Bard Martin" <bardmartin@earthlink.net>]

Simon  --  You encourage people to go right ahead and buy the Cone product.
You tell them not to worry about the clogging.  You say, "if you get clogs
you can get rid of them too!"

In my case, as it was in my friend's case, "getting rid of the clogs"
requires an expenditure of $250 on nozzle replacement just to get the point
to where we might try again.  This step follows all the time and all the
effort expended in NOT "getting rid of the clogs".

Further, as the Cone people themselves have told me and my friend, a given
Epson printer simply may not work with the Cone inks no matter how many
times the hapless purchaser tries to "get rid of the clogs".  (I gather that
1200's might present one kind of insuperable problem, 3000's another.)

Even if it is possible, with a given printer, to use the Cone inks
successfully, all the different procedures Cone provides on its web site for
unclogging printer nozzles must be a pretty good indication that "getting
rid of the clogs" requires a lot of time and effort not otherwise necessary.

I did not say people should absolutely not buy the Cone product.  What I
said was CAVEAT EMPTOR.  You and Austin are lucky, and I'm happy for you.  I
have to assume that lucky photogs like yourselves are in the majority, or
Cone could not remain in business.  Others, like my friend and me, appear to
be losers in a crap shoot where the odds of success are not good enough.

The inks should work in any well-maintained Epson printer, period.  Until
that is the case, potential purchasers should know what they might face in
trying to use them.  --  Bard



> From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@sclamb.com>
> Reply-To: filmscanners@halftone.co.uk
> Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:42:48 +0000
> To: bardmartin@earthlink.net
> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: B & W - Tips required...
>
> On 04/01/03 22:40, "Austin Franklin" <austin@darkroom.com> wrote:
>
>> Bard,
>>
>>> Austin and all --
>>>
>>> For those of you considering printing B&W images using Cone
>>> Piezography Inks
>>> (Inkjetmall.com) CAVEAT EMPTOR.  Their pigmented inks, while theoretically
>>> more "archival" than others on the market, can cause horrendous clogging
>>> problems in Epson Inkjet printers.
>>>
>>>> From what I've heard, and in my own experience, at best the user
>>> will spend
>>> a great deal of extra time with tedious and elaborate procedures
>>> to keep the
>>> ink flowing through the nozzles.
>>
>> I have been using the Cone inks for over two years.  I have made hundreds of
>> prints, if not in the thousands.  I have had SOME problems, some clogging,
>> some banding...but all of them were solved.  The product, when it works
>> right, works very very well, the images are stupendous.  I believe you hear
>> more about the people who have problems, more than you do people who don't.
>> Their support is stupendous though, and they typically go well out of their
>> way to solve customer problems.
>>
>> Austin
>>
>
> I second Austin's comments.  Whilst some people have had severe clogging
> with Piezo inks, by far the greater percentage have been printing black and
> white images that can compete with darkroom prints, even when produced by
> someone with relatively little experience.  Many of the prints that I have
> sold or have produced for friends have been produced using PiezoBW and 100%
> of those people have had a look of amazement on their faces when I point to
> my trusty Epson 1160 and tell them the prints came from that printer.
>
> So, for those of you contemplating using Cone Piezography inks, go right
> ahead, enjoy it and don't worry about the clogging - if you get clogs you
> can get rid of them too!
>
> Simon
>
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