Laurie,
Accepted - I would rather noy flame one of the more reasonable voices here.
It did seem out of character - which is why I expressed my feelings, rather
than flaming you right off. I would rather not offend you - either with
stupidity, or with flames. I do read your posts first - and I know that in
many areas you *do* know more than I (just not about the handling of ram -
I've trained embedded OS software writers <g>).
My whole point was that - given the data, the computer may not have been
hung, just paging madly, This still seems like a possibility. On my PC,
I've seen operations take 10 minutes - it only has 256 Meg - this never
happens on a G4 Dual with 512 Meg (well almost never - I have gotten it to
do that, but only with gross stupidity - which, protestations to the
contrary notwithstanding, I am capable of).
Thank you for your response.
On 18/7/03 23:10, "LAURIE SOLOMON" <laurie@advancenet.net> wrote:
> It was not really an attack at all; I was just pulling your leg a little.
> For certain, I was definitely unsure if you were being serious or not; but
> either way it would not be grounds for attacking you - only kidding you a
> little. I try not to engage in flames unless provoked; and you did not
> provoke me or offend me. Sorry you misinterpreted my intent; I take full
> responsibility for your misinterpretation. I thought I had put a smiley
> face on the end of the remarks; but I must have slipped up and forgotten to
> do it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
> [mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk]On Behalf Of Brad Davis
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:05 PM
> To: laurie@advancenet.net
> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Photoshop freezing
>
>
> On 18/7/03 13:53, "Laurie Solomon" <LAURIE@ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:
>
>>> Maybe not impossible, just difficult and time consuming.
>>
>> I do not know what planet you live on or in what universe you operate;
>> but here on planet Earth in this universe it is still impossible to
>> assign 120 thousand MB of physical RAM to Photoshop on a system that
>> only has 304MB of physical RAM.
>
> Naw, Laurie,I just accepted your supposition that the number as given was in
> error - intended to be 120 meg - (indeed, you can't assign 120,000 meg from
> a system with 304 meg - didn't know that this would arose an attack cat. The
> universe is the same, and I wonder why you felt the need to jump me. I
> stopped doing flame wars long ago, but if you wish...
>>
>> filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk <> wrote:
>>> On 17/7/03 10:34, "LAURIE SOLOMON" <laurie@advancenet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I believe that your so-called clue is a normal condition and one of
>>>> the reasons why one requires a large scratch disk of unfragmented
>>>> contiguous space usually 3-5 times the size of one's actual file
>>>> size.
>>> You do need to
>>>> turn virtual memory on so as to use the scratch disks. The 120MB of
>>>> physical RAM is really very little in the scheme of things with
>>>> contemporary machines having up to 3GB of physical RAM with as much
>>>> as 1GB asigned to Photoshop. However, unless you are working with 3
>>>> or 4 100MB plus files during a session, it should not cause the
>>>> Photoshop to freeze once you turn the virtual memory back on and
>>>> assign Photoshop a sccratch disk space one a hard drive with some
>>>> free contiguous unfragmented space of around 100MB or more ( better
>>>> yet assign the scratch disk itsown dedicated hard drive or, at least
>>>> a dedicated partition on a hard drive).
>>>>
>>>>> There is 304MB installed RAM of which 120,000MB are assigned to
>>>>> Photoshop.
>>>>
>>>> I assume that the 120,000MB iws an error and should read 120MB;
>>>> otherwise that is your problem, you are trying to do the impossible.
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Maybe not impossible, just difficult and time consuming. I recently
>>> tried to do some work on a PC with 256 RAM, and after scanning a 100
>>> Meg file, any attempt to work with it was very slow (as in many
>>> minutes) as photoshop was paging material out to the disk at a
>>> frightening rate. It took minutes to do the simplest thing. If
>>> there is only 120 Meg available to photoshop, it will page (and tell
>>> you if you don't have enough disk space - er, I think it is the OS
>>> that tells you... I normally use a G$ with dual processors and 512
>>> meg of RAM and it is very fast (I made 80% of the RAM available to
>>> Photoshop. I can get it to page too, but I have to work at it, and I
>>> prefer not. The point is that photoshop isn't necessarily "freezing,
>>> it is just busy with the writes to and reads from the disk.
>>>
>>> As Laurie implied, *give it more RAM*!
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You also might check to see if the files which are to be saved are
>>>> flattened files since sometimes undesr some settings one cannot save
>>>> unflattened files; files that are 42 bit as oppposed to 24 bit also
>>>> cannot be saved to a TIFF format.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
>>>> [mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk]On Behalf Of Maaki
>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:24 AM
>>>> To: laurie@advancenet.net
>>>> Subject: [filmscanners] Photoshop freezing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've hired a graphic designer to scan and colour correct some
>>>> transparencies using Photoshop, and I have set her up on a new Epson
>>>> 3200 scanner, and a PowerMac 9500 upgraded with a G3/400/1MB card,
>>>> and running Mac OS 9.1. (I had never used Photoshop myself, but I
>>>> seem to be the tech support person for all the Macs around here).
>>>> There is 304MB installed RAM of which 120,000MB are assigned to
>>>> Photoshop. Virtual Memory is off.
>>>>
>>>> Today Photoshop kept freezing. It seemed to work fine for the first
>>>> file opened and adjusted, but it always froze during the "Save As"
>>>> of the second file. The files are in the range of 20 to 40 MB in
>>>> size.
>>>>
>>>> Following is what happens. Open a Photoshop TIFF file, make some
>>>> adjustments and save it as under a new title and then close it. Then
>>>> when another TIFF file is opened, everything is the same up until the
>>>> "Save As" operation. When the dialog appears asking whether to save
>>>> as a "PC" or "Macintosh" file, the program freezes as soon as
>>>> "Macintosh' is clicked leaving a white space where the dialog had
>>>> been.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> CLUE
>>>> (A) I've checked with Memory Mapper, and find that Photoshop does
>>>> not release the extra memory a file used when that file is closed. It
>>>> hass to be quit and re-launched in order to release the memory.
>>>>
>>>> Maaki
>>>>
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