Re: filmscanners: real value?

[Hersch Nitikman <hersch@silcom.com>]

I have the impression that Alps is going out of the Dye Sub printer business.

At 06:21 PM 02/02/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Ian:  I had looked at a some ALPS Electric dye sub printers before getting my
>Epson.  Based on the prices I saw, I would say the 2000 UK Pounds would be at
>the very top of the line.  Their web site ( Search for "ALPS Electric") shows
>OEM and retail printers..  Their global section shows an office in the 
>U.K. (At
>Milton Keynes, I believe).  The costs shown in the site are the costs to 
>produce
>a photo, not not the cost of the machine.  The cost of a low end printer 
>is the
>US is about $500.  ( I found them at www.alpsusa.com)
>
>They do show black and white and color.  They seem to print slower than an
>inkjet.
>A friend of mine has one and says that the dpi and dimension of the computer
>output will be the same as the printer output, with the upper limit of the
>printer's capability being the restriction.
>
>Gordon
>
>
>Ian Jackson wrote:
>
> > Michael,
> >
> > I wonder why there are so few people film scanning then printing with dye
> > sublimation printers?
> >
> > Surely these would fully complement say a 4000 dpi scanner?
> >
> > My only questions are:
> >
> > (1) B&W - I see no mention of this is any Dye sub printer literature
> > (2) Where do I find an A3 Dye sub printer under 2000 UK Pounds?
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Moore" <miguelmas@uswest.net>
> > To: <filmscanners@halftone.co.uk>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 8:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: filmscanners: real value?
> >
> > > Ian,
> > > I totally agree. HP has fallen victim to the same short term marketing
> > mentality
> > > that infects too many of today's manufacturers and service providers. 
> That
> > said,
> > > I do think that their printers at least are much better made than
> > Epson's...
> > > What I would really like to see is the old HP mentality applied to their
> > > printers, etc., so that we would have truly professional equipment, both
> > in
> > > manufacture and design... I will also reply to Art's comment about the
> > price
> > > comparison between HP and Epson... wheteher it's the 740, the 870, or the
> > 2000,
> > > they all have the print head as part of the printer, so if the darned
> > thing
> > > clogs beyond repair, you're scr.... (my spell-checker just kicked in).
> > > As for HP, ain't nobody that I know making third party archival
> > pigment/inks for
> > > the darn thing.... Just give me a Fuji Frontier...
> > >
> > > Mike Moore
> > >
> > > Ian Jackson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Michael Moore wrote.....
> > > >
> > > > Michael,
> > > >
> > > > I respect your comment about HP assuming you meant the same
> > oscilloscopes,
> > > > power supplies etc,   that I also used.  However HP's Computers,
> > printers,
> > > > software and service FOR THOSE PRODUCTS,  are just not in the same
> > league.
> > > >
> > > > Somehow I feel you would not disagree?
> > > >
> > > > Ian
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Arthur Entlich" <artistic@ampsc.com>
> > > > To: <filmscanners@halftone.co.uk>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:39 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: filmscanners: real value?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Moore wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I cut my electronics teeth on HP when I trained as an electronics
> > tech
> > > > in Th
> > > > > > US Navy... Their stuff was always built to last... Last summer I
> > bought
> > > > an HP
> > > > > > 932C... it's built much better than my Epson 740... plus the
> > cartridges
> > > > come
> > > > > > with the nozzles built in so if a print head clogs, you just 
> replace
> > the
> > > > > > cartridge... I bought it to replace an Epson that had a clogged
> > print
> > > > > > head...(third party inks!)... I thinks it's a load of bull that
> > things
> > > > can't
> > > > > > be made to last...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike M
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Didn't the 932C cost a good deal more than the 740 (I'm not on top of
> > > > > the prices on these)?  And yes, most anything can be made to last, it
> > > > > costs more R&D and usually more in material and manufacturing expense
> > to
> > > > > do so.  That's not my point.  Making a car last (say a Ford Model T)
> > > > > that can't go above 30 miles an hour, other than as a collectable,
> > > > > doesn't make good sense in a world that demands cars that can go 80
> > mph
> > > > > for practical considerations. The same is true (and more so) of high
> > > > > tech.  If you owned a 10 megabyte harddrive and it was built to last
> > for
> > > > > 50 years, would you still be using it today? Not likely.  The darn
> > thing
> > > > > has more value in aluminum and gold than in either practical use or
> > > > > resale value.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, I have a perfectly good 10 meg hard drive I'll sell you (weighs
> > > > > about 15 pounds -- you pay postage, too)  And if you'd like that one,
> > > > > you'll really appreciate my dual drive Bernoulli with disks 
> (which are
> > > > > 12" wide and hold 5 or 10 megs each... it weights about 50 pounds.)
> > and
> > > > > is bigger than a tower computer ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Art
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >