[filmscanners] RE: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista

["Laurie@advancenet.net" <laurie@advancenet.net>]

> This may be an issue how how Vista is marketed in the UK. In the US,
> there is Vista Ultimate, which comes with 64 bit vista.

Ultimate is one of the numerous editions of Vista (it is the top of the line
edition that contains all the components some of which are not included in
the other editions); it, like several other editions of Vista, is available
in both 32 bit and 64 bit versions of Vista.  This is the case in the U.S.;
and I believe it is the case for the UK as well.  The one edition that is
not available in the US but may be in other areas of the world is the Basic
edition.  I do not believe that either the Basic or Home Editions are
available in 64 bit(they are only available in 32 bit versions); but the
rest of the editions are.

> A few version of 32 bit Vista allow the purchase of the 64 bit edition.

I believe that one can upgrade from one edition to an edition higher on the
food chain at a special case - except for the Basic Edition.  It may also be
possible to upgrade from a 32 bit to a 64 bit version in the same edition at
no extra charge or at a special price; it may be also possible to change
from a 32 bit version of one edition to a 64 bit version of a higher level
edition at a special case.  However, I do not know all the ins and outs of
these kinds of upgrades.

> In my case, I have X64, which I suppose you could call X64 XP.
> Microsoft calls is Windows XP Professional x64 Edition

They call it that because it is Windows XP Professional Edition in the 64
bit version. :-)  Vista also has a Professional Edition in both the 32 bit
and 64 bit versions.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
> [mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:02 PM
> To: laurie@advancenet.net
> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
>
> This may be an issue how how Vista is marketed in the UK. In the US,
> there is Vista Ultimate, which comes with 64 bit vista. A few version
> of
> 32 bit Vista allow the purchase of the 64 bit edition.
>
> In my case, I have X64, which I suppose you could call X64 XP.
> Microsoft
> calls is
> Windows XP Professional x64 Edition
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx
>
> All this gets more confusing when you consider retail versus OEM
> versions. Anyway, X64 is not Vista.
>
>
>
>
> Laurie@advancenet.net wrote:
> > Gary,
> >
> > I have not used Vuescan of recent so I do not know if the current
> versions
> > require or not the factory driver to be installed; I was under the
> > impression that Ed did not rely on Twain drivers but developed his
> own
> > proprietary driver as a substitute for the OEM TWAIN drivers.  As for
> > Vuescan under X64, I cannot speak to its stability since I have not
> tried
> > recent versions of Vuescan under X64; moreover, I suspect, given what
> you
> > suggest, it might work without crashing if one used SCSI via an
> adapter card
> > in a slot on the motherboard rather than USB (if SCSI cards work in
> the X64
> > Vista OS and if there is ASPI layer available from Adaptec or
> elsewhere that
> > will work with X64).
> >
> >> In many ways, X64 is a really good operating system. Remember, it is
> >> Server 2003 kind of stripped down. But for non-server tasks, it does
> >> have it's issues. Also, X64 is a dead end. MS wants you to use
> Vista,
> >> but 64 bit Vista is a mess. As you probably know, there is a rumor
> that
> >> MS is going to replace Vista soon, i.e. it is like Windows ME (the
> >> minus
> >
> > I question these statements.  I do not believe that X64 Vista is a
> stripped
> > down version of Server 2003 (X64 XP might have been but that is a
> different
> > OS than Vista).  Vista X64 does have some problems when used as a
> server or
> > as a non-server; but much of it has to do with the availability of
> X64
> > drivers, with printing in mixed X32 and X64 networks, and with the
> > availability of hardware and firmware that can make use of some of
> the newer
> > features.  I do not think that Vista X64 is dead or the rumor that
> you say
> > is going around has any truth in it.  It is true that MS is working
> on
> > developing the next Windows OS which can be regarded as a new version
> of
> > Vista (whether it will be called Vista 2.O or by a new name as
> happened in
> > the case of the move from XP to Vista, I do not know).  I think that
> people
> > may be confusing the switch from using a single name with version
> numbers
> > for a software program to the use of different names for each version
> > without using version numbers with replacing or abandoning the
> program.
> > Even Adobe has started renaming its programs from Photoshop or
> Illustrator
> > version x, y, and z to Photoshop or Illustrator CS, CS2, and CS3
> without
> > employing version numbers.  I do know that MS decided that they would
> not
> > issues a Service Pack for Vista that is like what they did with XP
> where it
> > almost comprised a total revision of the program from start to
> finish;
> > instead, they would only issue service packs that fix bugs or
> security
> > problems, leaving the addition or alteration of features to the next
> OS.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
> >> [mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk] On Behalf Of gary
> >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:10 PM
> >> To: laurie@advancenet.net
> >> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
> >>
> >> Often Vuescan needs the factory driver to be installed. A few
> devices
> >> Ed
> >> can drive directly.
> >>
> >> BTW, Vuescan under X64 is not all that stable. Expect a crash every
> >> other roll. It has to do with how X64 handles USB.
> >>
> >> In many ways, X64 is a really good operating system. Remember, it is
> >> Server 2003 kind of stripped down. But for non-server tasks, it does
> >> have it's issues. Also, X64 is a dead end. MS wants you to use
> Vista,
> >> but 64 bit Vista is a mess. As you probably know, there is a rumor
> that
> >> MS is going to replace Vista soon, i.e. it is like Windows ME (the
> >> minus
> >> edition).
> >>
> >>
> >> Laurie@advancenet.net wrote:
> >>> You could try Vuescan; or you could go to the Epson web site and
> see
> >> if the
> >>> scanner software is downloadable/
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
> >>>> [mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk] On Behalf Of Jim
> >> Ketcheson
> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:19 PM
> >>>> To: laurie@advancenet.net
> >>>> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
> >>>>
> >>>> I have acquired an Epson 1200 Perfection Photo Scanner but did not
> >> get
> >>>> the software. Would anyone know what was originally with this
> >> scanner
> >>>> and have any idea where one could find the appropriate software. I
> >> also
> >>>> have the Epson 3200 Perfection series but the software is not
> >>>> interchangeable.
> >>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>> Jim Ketcheson
> >>>> Belleville, Canada
> >>>>
> >>>> James L. Sims wrote:
> >>>>> Laurie,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My plan is to keep a 32-bit machine around for the SS120 and My
> old
> >>>>> Epson Stylus Photo 1200.  Then upgrade my main computer to XP 64.
> >> An
> >>>>> Epson tech told me last year that that he could send me the 64-
> bit
> >>>>> drivers for my Epson 1640 scanner, however, I didn't ask him to
> do
> >>>> that
> >>>>> and I still do not see a 64-bit driver, twain or otherwise, on
> >>>> Epson's
> >>>>> website - that seems to support what you're saying about 32-bit
> >> Twain
> >>>>> drivers working on 64-bit systems.  Epson does have 64-bit
> drivers
> >>>> for
> >>>>> my R2400.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After I upgrade to a 64-bit OS, I'll try installing the Polaroid
> >>>> drivers
> >>>>> on the new system.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Laurie@advancenet.net wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Most of the scanners up until currently used TWAIN drivers and
> >> there
> >>>> were no
> >>>>>> universal 64 bit TWAIN standards or specs as was the case for 32
> >> bit
> >>>> twain
> >>>>>> drivers; hence, no 64 bit TWAIN drivers were ever produced at
> any
> >>>> time.  The
> >>>>>> net result was that there were no scanners that would work on 64
> >> bit
> >>>>>> operating systems as 64 bit scanners.  I am not really sure; but
> I
> >>>> think
> >>>>>> that the 32 bit TWAIN drivers will work under the 64 bit Windows
> >> XP
> >>>>>> operating system.  As far as I know, there will be no 64 bit
> Twain
> >>>> drivers
> >>>>>> being developed for any of the brands or types of scanners in
> the
> >>>> future.
> >>>>>> The newer flatbed scanners have gotten much better in terms of
> >> their
> >>>> quality
> >>>>>> and optical resolutions; but I still think they are lacking if
> one
> >>>> is
> >>>>>> scanning small format film with the intent of enlarging the
> images
> >>>> to
> >>>>>> anything beyond 8 x 10 without resorting to the use good high
> >>>> quality
> >>>>>> interpolation methods or of cropping out segments of the image
> for
> >>>>>> enlargement.  Some of these scanners may in the future come out
> >> with
> >>>> 64 bit
> >>>>>> drivers if there is a market for 64 bit; but it will either be
> in
> >>>> the form
> >>>>>> of WMA compliant drivers for use with MICROSOFT 64 bit operating
> >>>> systems and
> >>>>>> not TWAIN drivers (since I do not believe that Apple has a 64
> bit
> >>>> operating
> >>>>>> system or plans to come out with one in the near future - but I
> >>>> could be
> >>>>>> wrong).  I have the feeling that Microsoft's WMA protocol will
> >>>> become the
> >>>>>> standard for scanner drivers even if Apple comes out with a 64
> bit
> >>>> OS.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
> >>>>>>> [mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk] On Behalf Of James
> L.
> >>>> Sims
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:48 AM
> >>>>>>> To: laurie@advancenet.net
> >>>>>>> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SS4000 & SCSI under Vista
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I believe none of the Polaroid scanners are being supported
> >> beyond
> >>>>>>> 32-bit Windows XP or the same era Mac OS.  About a year ago I
> >>>> contacted
> >>>>>>> Polaroid, asking them if they would be providing 64-bit drivers
> >> for
> >>>> my
> >>>>>>> SprintScan 120.  I had recently upgraded to a 64-bit computer.
> >>>>>>> Polaroid
> >>>>>>> informed me that the SS120 had been out of production for more
> >> than
> >>>>>>> three years and no driver updates would be forthcoming.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Does anyone have any knowledge of the quality of today's
> flatbed
> >>>>>>> scanners?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Great to see active dialog on this list!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jim
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Bob Geoghegan wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> While we're talking about SCSI scanners under current OSs, how
> >>>> 'bout
> >>>>>>> Vista?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm running an SS4000 on a Win XP laptop through an Adaptec
> >> 1480B.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The card
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> is supported under Vista, but I don't know what to expect for
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> scanner.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bob G
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk
> >>>>>>>> [mailto:filmscanners_owner@halftone.co.uk] On Behalf Of
> >>>>>>>> halftone@troutcom.com
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:14 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: bobgeo@dgiinc.com
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [filmscanners] Re: SCSI support on a Mac Pro
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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